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slavandria
 20 Mar 2008, 19:23 #29626 Reply To Post
Good afternoon, everyone!

I am in the process of writing a fantasy novel and I need some assistance.

I have written the majority of my novel from the main character's POV, but there are a few events that occur outside of the character's view, i.e. while he's in one place, something else important is happening elsewhere.

I am wondering - is it acceptable to dedicate certain chapters to these seperate events without causing a POV shift? Example: I have a kid who enters this realm and we travel along with him for a while but his presence has sent ripples through the realm. The reader travels, via three separate chapters, to find out where the shift occured and who was involved and what happened. It is very important because without this, the people who are to help the protagonist reach his end can't hook up with him. There are two secondary protagonists who are very strong characters who are born from these events that occur out of the sight of our main character. These three characters show how they hook up with the main character.

There is also one later chapter where I have one of the protagonists in a "pickle" if you will and the chapter is focused a lot on her; however there are constant references to the main character. I have heard that this is okay since the reader never forgets the main character is looming in the background.

Tad Williams and Robert Jordan have used this trick of chapter/POV separation and I was never confused by it but I'm not sure if publishers and editors accept this style of writing anymore. JRR Tolkien also used multiple POV's and while the book was somewhat confusing, it didn't make it any less of a classic.

Also, sticking with POV: I have a "scene" where my main character is speaking with someone and the main character walks away, leaving the other person speaking to someone else about the main character. Do I have to show a separation with *** or something else to show a change in POV or is it acceptable to see the main character "walk off stage" and gently transition into the other conversation where the two characters are speaking of the main character? I have had so many people read this passage in my novel and they are not confused by it, upset by it as they see the main person leave and they are left in the presence of the other two. However, on this site, all I hear is how the author has to show some sort of break when changing POV.
Jen

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spotty leopard
 20 Mar 2008, 19:30 #29628 Reply To Post
I wouldn't worry about it too much myself. Single pov is hardly ever (never?) mentioned in critiques by literary professionals on this site. It's something that's taught in evening classes, where the teacher likes to have rules to expound to his class.

Twenty years ago it hadn't been invented. What works, works; what doesn't, doesn't.

It's something to consider, but like the Pirates' Code, it's really more what you'd call guidelines.

In my opinion.

Lexi

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clara68
 18 Apr 2008, 16:54 #31658 Reply To Post
The pirates code--cute!
yeah..i have problems with that too, i guess as long as it doesnt affect the reading its ok.
Rowlings did it a couple of times in her book although always at the beginning of the books, where she wants us to see what´s going on in places where harry isn´t present.
I suppose there´s no probem with it but i have my doubts as well.
I need to do it in my novel and havent goten around to finding the perfect way to do it.
Timber Beast
 19 Apr 2008, 03:06 #31717 Reply To Post
Quote: slavandria, Thursday, 20 Mar 2008 19:23
Good afternoon, everyone!

I am in the process of writing a fantasy novel and I need some assistance.

I have written the majority of my novel from the main character's POV, but there are a few events that occur outside of the character's view, i.e. while he's in one place, something else important is happening elsewhere.

I am wondering - is it acceptable to dedicate certain chapters to these seperate events without causing a POV shift? Example: I have a kid who enters this realm and we travel along with him for a while but his presence has sent ripples through the realm. The reader travels, via three separate chapters, to find out where the shift occured and who was involved and what happened. It is very important because without this, the people who are to help the protagonist reach his end can't hook up with him. There are two secondary protagonists who are very strong characters who are born from these events that occur out of the sight of our main character. These three characters show how they hook up with the main character.

There is also one later chapter where I have one of the protagonists in a "pickle" if you will and the chapter is focused a lot on her; however there are constant references to the main character. I have heard that this is okay since the reader never forgets the main character is looming in the background.

Tad Williams and Robert Jordan have used this trick of chapter/POV separation and I was never confused by it but I'm not sure if publishers and editors accept this style of writing anymore. JRR Tolkien also used multiple POV's and while the book was somewhat confusing, it didn't make it any less of a classic.


There are numerous devices to try. For instance, the POV character overhear a conversation, a character can come by and give the POV character the news, the POV character can learn of happenings in the newspaper (a JK Rowling favorite--the Daily Prophet), the POV character can deduce the change by clues, and coincidences. You might give those a try. If nothing else, it will be a real challenge.

Quote: slavandria, Thursday, 20 Mar 2008 19:23

Also, sticking with POV: I have a "scene" where my main character is speaking with someone and the main character walks away, leaving the other person speaking to someone else about the main character. Do I have to show a separation with *** or something else to show a change in POV or is it acceptable to see the main character "walk off stage" and gently transition into the other conversation where the two characters are speaking of the main character? I have had so many people read this passage in my novel and they are not confused by it, upset by it as they see the main person leave and they are left in the presence of the other two. However, on this site, all I hear is how the author has to show some sort of break when changing POV.


Changing the POV character without warning (aka "head-hopping) is a no-no. It will look to agents and publishers that you do not know how to control your story. Anything that pulls the reader (esp. agent and publisher type readers) from the story always needs to be rethought.

If the point of view changes and/or there is a larger shift of time or space, use three asterisks, with a space between each one, in the center of the hiatus space. Do not indent the first paragraph after the hiatus. (Right Lorraine?)
Best,
Norm
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