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rosefitzrobert
 28 Jan 2012, 19:16 #140654 Reply To Post
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sulcus
 28 Jan 2012, 20:46 #140661 Reply To Post
Quote: rosefitzrobert, Saturday, 28 Jan 2012 19:16
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is it art or a way of getting round planning laws?

If the former, it smacks of pastiche art to me. The Freikorps (predecessors of The Nazis) were very smitten with horses to judge by their fictional literary output. There were art works of horses with human women bent to fit inside the curves of the horse, with of course the military male riding on top.

Unfortunately Google doesn't have the images displayed, but here's a couple to give you the idea

Cover of the book

Idealisation of women as Nature personified

Thewleit's Book "Male Fantasies" is a wonderfully insightful read by the way
This post was last edited by sulcus, 28 Jan 2012, 20:47
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PERRY
 28 Jan 2012, 21:48 #140662 Reply To Post
Fee fo fi fum. Who stole my beanstalk?
CaroleH
 28 Jan 2012, 22:20 #140663 Reply To Post
There loads of idealisation of women as nature personified, and fulfillment of male fantasies in Fantasy Art, so I wouldn't take it too seriously

It doesn't seem to be related to Hitler or the Nazis in any way, but might as well pursue Godwin's Law, as it has appeared so very early in the thread (maybe the thread is dead already?).
rosefitzrobert
 28 Jan 2012, 22:32 #140665 Reply To Post
Quote: CaroleH, Saturday, 28 Jan 2012 22:20
There loads of idealisation of women as nature personified, and fulfillment of male fantasies in Fantasy Art, so I wouldn't take it too seriously

It doesn't seem to be related to Hitler or the Nazis in any way, but might as well pursue Godwin's Law, as it has appeared so very early in the thread (maybe the thread is dead already?).


OK, so I finally had to look up Godwin's Law. And in the course of that found this:

Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, (Latin for "reduction to" and "argument to" and dog Latin for "Hitler" respectively) is an ad hominem or ad misericordiam argument whereby an opponent's view is compared to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. It is a fallacy of irrelevance, in which a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's or someone's origin rather than its current meaning. The suggested logic is one of guilt by association.

That seemed even more apt, because since there aren't even any women in the picture, the fact that this occurred in Germany seemed to be the key factor.---in more ways than one, come to think of it. This pasture art would likely not have occurred where i live because a permit is not requited to build a shelter for animals in a district zoned for agriculture.
This post was last edited by rosefitzrobert, 28 Jan 2012, 22:43
CaroleH
 28 Jan 2012, 22:39 #140666 Reply To Post
Phew, it's a good job I was forced to do Latin in school (as well as French), otherwise I might not have understood that! Maybe the average man has been so programmed secretly by a Nazi type cabal (operating on a subliminal level through the TV screen via programmes like 'Celebrity Big Brother), that he actually sees horses as women?
rosefitzrobert
 28 Jan 2012, 22:44 #140667 Reply To Post
Quote: CaroleH, Saturday, 28 Jan 2012 22:39
Phew, it's a good job I was forced to do Latin in school (as well as French), otherwise I might not have understood that! Maybe the average man has been so programmed secretly by a Nazi type cabal (operating on a subliminal level through the TV screen via programmes like 'Celebrity Big Brother), that he actually sees horses as women?


I think you're on to a hot story idea there.
CaroleH
 28 Jan 2012, 22:48 #140668 Reply To Post
Reductio ad Hitlerum sounds like a Harry Potter spell, doesn't it? Shazam!! and your internet forum opponent is obliterated! (I expect you can tell I'm bored at the moment).
rosefitzrobert
 28 Jan 2012, 22:53 #140669 Reply To Post
Quote: CaroleH, Saturday, 28 Jan 2012 22:48
Reductio ad Hitlerum sounds like a Harry Potter spell, doesn't it? Shazam!! and your internet forum opponent is obliterated! (I expect you can tell I'm bored at the moment).


Well, I'm procrastinating myself. It turns out that it is a kind of Harry Potter spell:

"Various criminals, controversial religious and political figures, regimes, and atrocities other than those caused by Hitler, the Nazis and the Holocaust can be used for the same purposes. For example, a reductio ad Stalinum could assert that atheism is a dangerous philosophy because Stalin was an atheist for most of his life.[3]

The fallacious nature of reductio ad Hitlerum is easily illustrated by identifying X as something that Adolf Hitler or his supporters did promote but which is not considered unethical, such as painting, enjoying classical music, or owning dogs."
rosefitzrobert
 28 Jan 2012, 23:03 #140670 Reply To Post
And for the pleasure and enjoyment of the dictionary lovers among us, I also looked up:

pastiche [pas-teesh], a literary work composed from elements borrowed either from various other writers or from a particular earlier author. The term can be used in a derogatory sense to indicate lack of originality, or more neutrally to refer to works that involve a deliberate and playfully imitative tribute to other writers. Pastiche differs from parody in using imitation as a form of flattery rather than mockery, and from plagiarism in its lack of deceptive intent. A well-known modern example is John Fowles's novel The French Lieutenant's Woman (1969), which is partly a pastiche of the great Victorian novelists. The frequent resort to pastiche has been cited as a characteristic feature of postmodernism. A writer of pastiches is sometimes called a pasticheur.




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