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Palache
 05 Mar 2011, 11:26 #112488 Reply To Post
In a role reversal of the usual fare on the MB, below I'm posting my most recent review, FOR REVIEW. What's wrong with it?

"In the days when - Review by Jack Palache

There’s a whole lot to like about this tale, and like it I did. The fact that it seemed partly lifted from ‘Bruce Almighty’ didn’t bother me much, because a) I liked that film; and b) even though it was much the same, it was also very different. So it kept my attention throughout.

I’m also glad to hear this is a novella, because I don’t think I could read a whole novel of this, but would happily read another 30 pages or so to see how it ends. Looks like William Penfield and Mrs. Brenner might wind up as the couple that lives happily ever after, but I could be wrong.

I liked being inside William Penfold’s head and the way he’s undergoing a transformation. Love the riddle of who he was ‘in the days when’. I also loved his bizarre choice of ‘presents’.

My major quibble with this work would be the language, but even that is not so bothersome because the POV is Penfold’s and we could hardly expect him to be an accomplished writer/speaker. Nonetheless the story could use a lot of tightening up. The very first sentence starts with the ‘It was’ construction, which dominates this tale. It also includes ‘first thought’, to which later are added a number of ‘sudden feelings’ and ‘sudden thought’ etc. Isn’t every thought or feeling a first thought/feeling, and sudden? The whole introductory sentence is pretty awkward first sentence, although it does make sense:

“It was during one of his periodic bouts of smouldering resentment at the way his life had turned out that William Penfold first thought of emailing God.”

Wouldn’t it be better to SHOW the bout of smouldering resentment and then SHOW how the thought to e-mail God originates?

Later the author uses a sentence: ‘What he was was hungry.’

I only noticed a few typos/errors:

1) ‘next 2 days’ – should be ‘next two days’
2) ‘managed at last toget up the stairs’
3) ‘The cat was up and about early, climbing through the toilet window to the wider world outside, taking another sausage with it MISSING FULL STOP William was woken by the postman knocking on the door loudly’ And I don’t think you need the ‘loudly’.
4) ‘Don’t go up and down kerbs, you’ll do it in, Don’t drive it in a strong wind.’ Comma instead of full stop.

I gave 5s for everything relating to story (POV, Pace, Story, characters); 4s for settings, dialogue, and theme; and a 3 for language."
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Palache
 05 Mar 2011, 11:36 #112492 Reply To Post
Okay, I'll answer my own question, so as not to waste other people's time.

What's wrong is that it might imply some kind of plagiarism. This was not my intent. I also should hedge a bit more on the language criticism. Hence the review should read:

"In the days when - Review by Jack Palache

There’s a whole lot to like about this tale, and like it I did. The author may not be aware that the story has a number of similarities with the film ‘Bruce Almighty’, which is not to suggest that the story is related. In any case it didn't bother me, because a) I liked that film; and b) even though it was much the same, it was also very different. So it kept my attention throughout.

I’m also glad to hear this is a novella, because I don’t think I could read a whole novel of this, but would happily read another 30 pages or so to see how it ends. Looks like William Penfield and Mrs. Brenner might wind up as the couple that lives happily ever after, but I could be wrong.

I liked being inside William Penfold’s head and the way he’s undergoing a transformation. Love the riddle of who he was ‘in the days when’. I also loved his bizarre choice of ‘presents’.

My major quibble with this work would be the language, but even that is not so bothersome because the POV is Penfold’s and we could hardly expect him to be an accomplished writer/speaker. Nonetheless the story could use some tightening up. The very first sentence starts with the ‘It was’ construction, which dominates this tale. It also includes ‘first thought’, to which later are added a number of ‘sudden feelings’ and ‘sudden thought’ etc. Isn’t every thought or feeling a first thought/feeling, and sudden? The whole introductory sentence is pretty awkward first sentence, although it does make sense:

“It was during one of his periodic bouts of smouldering resentment at the way his life had turned out that William Penfold first thought of emailing God.”

Wouldn’t it be better to SHOW the bout of smouldering resentment and then SHOW how the thought to e-mail God originates?

Later the author uses a sentence: ‘What he was was hungry.’

I only noticed a few typos/errors:

1) ‘next 2 days’ – should be ‘next two days’
2) ‘managed at last toget up the stairs’
3) ‘The cat was up and about early, climbing through the toilet window to the wider world outside, taking another sausage with it MISSING FULL STOP William was woken by the postman knocking on the door loudly’ And I don’t think you need the ‘loudly’.
4) ‘Don’t go up and down kerbs, you’ll do it in, Don’t drive it in a strong wind.’ Comma instead of full stop.

I gave 5s for everything relating to story (POV, Pace, Story, characters); 4s for settings, dialogue, and theme; and a 3 for language."

The point of my 'monologue' thread was a) to correct my own review; and b) to show that reviews can be criticised, at least by the reviewer him/herself (lol).
This post was last edited by Palache, 05 Mar 2011, 11:45
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mkrobinson12
 05 Mar 2011, 11:36 #112493 Reply To Post
Seems like a perfectly reasonable and helpful review to me. However, I haven't the story it relates to in front of me to see how it matches up. These things are always subjective, but this review is much better than the 101 word wonders that we sometimes get.


Edited: Implying plagiarism isn't a problem if that's what they've done. Better that you say something rather than a lawyer.
This post was last edited by mkrobinson12, 05 Mar 2011, 11:40
LoopyLou
 05 Mar 2011, 11:40 #112494 Reply To Post
The only thing wrong with it is that you have put it up in a negative light, trying to get people to nit-pick. The reviewer has gone out of his way to give you a constructive review.

He pointed out a few typos, told you it sounded similar to another, said he couldn't read it as a full novel, but would as a novella (this told me he didn't fully engage in the story), and finally he liked it and gave you all fives (in my eyes he didn't competely like it and was being kind!)

Correct the typos, reread and see what he means about tightening and your sentence beginnings and move on.

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stjerome
 05 Mar 2011, 11:43 #112495 Reply To Post
Don't beat yourself up, Jack. The review is 400 words long, it's analytical, it points out what good about the story, what might be improved and gives specific examples of what needs to be looked at by the author, as well as explaining how you've rated it.

It's objective, it polite, it's helpful. That's certainly all I ask for in a review.

Tim

Edit: Think you've missed the point there, Lou!!
This post was last edited by stjerome, 05 Mar 2011, 11:45
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LoopyLou
 05 Mar 2011, 11:46 #112496 Reply To Post
RE: What's wrong is that it might imply some kind of plagiarism. This was not my intent.

So what? Every story is similar to another in one way or another. I've been told A Proper Charlie is similar to Ugly Betty and Katie Fflord - I've never watched Ugly Betty or read Katie Fford (although since that review I have now), and took the comparing as a compliment.


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mkrobinson12
 05 Mar 2011, 11:46 #112497 Reply To Post
Quote: LoopyLou, Saturday, 5 Mar 2011 11:40
The only thing wrong with it is that you have put it up in a negative light, trying to get people to nit-pick. The reviewer has gone out of his way to give you a constructive review.

He pointed out a few typos, told you it sounded similar to another, said he couldn't read it as a full novel, but would as a novella (this told me he didn't fully engage in the story), and finally he liked it and gave you all fives (in my eyes he didn't competely like it and was being kind!)

Correct the typos, reread and see what he means about tightening and your sentence beginnings and move on.


I think he's saying that this is a review he's done and not the other way around, so he's not being critical of someone else, but himself. Which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
Palache
 05 Mar 2011, 11:54 #112498 Reply To Post
Very interesting responses by MRobinson and Louise. Dont' take this personal you two (pleeaase!) but a) my point was that I DIDN'T intend to imply plagiarism; b) I DID fully engage in the story, just thought that I wouldn't be able to maintain that level of engagement for a 200 page novel; and c) I DIDN'T give all fives.

I'm not sure what this all goes to show except that reviews, like stories themselves, are subject to varying interpretations. And that 'reviewing a review' is not a sin if it's done in a constructive fashion. I know I learned something from this.
This post was last edited by Palache, 05 Mar 2011, 11:56
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SusieHolmes
 05 Mar 2011, 12:01 #112500 Reply To Post
I think it would be exactly the kind of review I would be thrilled to receive.
Your angst about plagerism is totally unfounded. You have, quite rightly pointed out that the plot has a similar one out there. Which is true of all stories. I have just raved about 'The Hunger Games' on the MB and back came a couple of messages along the lines of 'yes, but it's a total copy of...'
All books are a copy of something, somewhere along the line. I would rather know my enemy and know what I have accidently/not accidently copied, and deal with it sooner rather than later.

It's a fantastic review.
karen milner
 05 Mar 2011, 12:08 #112502 Reply To Post
Quote: Palache, Saturday, 5 Mar 2011 11:54
Very interesting responses by MRobinson and Louise. Dont' take this personal you two (pleeaase!) but a) my point was that I DIDN'T intend to imply plagiarism; b) I DID fully engage in the story, just thought that I wouldn't be able to maintain that level of engagement for a 200 page novel; and c) I DIDN'T give all fives.

I'm not sure what this all goes to show except that reviews, like stories themselves, are subject to varying interpretations. And that 'reviewing a review' is not a sin if it's done in a constructive fashion. I know I learned something from this.


Lol, just goes to show that we all see things differently. I haven't read the story in question but I love that first 'tell' line about the email to God. Sometimes I think we get too caught up with all this show don't tell business.

Although,I totally agree with your point, Jack. Why shouldn't critters have hides like rhinos too? If you are hard enough to give a tough crit, then you should be hard enough to stand by it should that crit be criticised. Blimey, quite a tongue twister, I'm off for a rest now.

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