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Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:12 #42125 Reply To Post
Quote: leighvtwersky, Saturday, 16 Aug 2008 17:00
Another question I have Doug concerns your other book Brothers In Arms, the opening of which I remember I really enjoyed. Have you shown it to your publishers, or have they asked you what else you have written??


Hi Leigh, I've been working on Brothers in Arms with Stan for the past year, in between Caligula rewrites and the Claudius first draft. It's on it's third version now and I think Stan has just sent it to Transworld to take a look at. I'm really pleased with it, and, if I'm honest, I think it's even better than Caligula and has the potential to be the first in a long series.

My short experience of publishers seems to indicate that they focus on one project at a time. They've invested a lot in Douglas Jackson, writer of historical fiction, and they might find it a distraction. It's possible I'll publish it under another name. I'll be very interested in Simon, my editor's reaction to it. Fingers etc crossed!
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:27 #42127 Reply To Post
Nick P: I'm always interested in hearing about other writer's process. Do you write at a specific time? How much of an outline do you start with? How many different edits? Do you start with a character, a situation or a theme?

In other words, Doug, tell us how YOU do it.


Hi Nick, with The Emperor's Elephant, I just started writing a story and kept going. I was really proud of the first line I wrote 'My father was a great man, he tamed the wild beasts and made them do his bidding.' About six months later it took me another three months to dig myself out of the hole that sentence had got me into, which probably shows that I should have put together an outline first.

Stan, my agent, gave me a tip that I've found really useful. Put together short chapter outlines, of just a sentence each. That gives you a real impression of where you're going and what targets you have to hit as you're writing. I've found it invaluable.

With The Emperor's Elephant I knew where I was going, but not how to get there. I created Rufus and breathed life into him, sometimes he took me places I didn't want to go and he was more in charge than I was. Including the Emperor's Elephant, Caligula has gone through at least a dozen rewrites, probably more if you include reads that have resulted in minor tweaks here and there. I wouldn't have believed that possible when I completed the first draft, but now I think the skill and focus of being able to rewrite your work is probably even more important than putting together the original story. That's why Youwriteon is so important to people's development. It teaches you to take criticism and use it.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:32 #42128 Reply To Post
Tommi: Doug, it's great to see such a success - even way out in the sticks our WHSmiths is well-stocked. But I'm sure I speak for everyone when I ask (I'm sure you've had the question a hundred times but I haven't seen an answer)

Why name the book after a really poor 80s porn flick? Aren't you worried that people of my generation will buy the book and get severely disappointed? Or have the eminences grises in the PR department really spotted a trick?


My favourite question of the day, Tommi. Caligula was originally The Emperor's Elephant, and always will be for me. It was the publishers who decided to focus it on the man himself, in the tradition of big one word titles like Conn Iggulden's Emperor series and Manda Scott's Boudica. I came up with an alternative which I thought was great and might get me onto the Booker list - Whom the Gods Destroy - but it was thought to be too poetic, so Caligula it is, and by the way it's selling for a first-time writer, they're probably right.

I didn't think mad Malcolm was all that bad, and I think there's enough sex, violence and incest in Caligula to satisfy fans of the original, although not in a gratuitous sense, obviously.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:36 #42129 Reply To Post
Katkin Doug - congratulations on your fantastic achievement. What's the most useful thing you've learned on your journey towards getting published - and knowing what you know now, is there anything you'd have done differently?

All the best, Kit


Hi Kit, the three things I've learned are:

Be patient, because the publishing industry works at a pace all of its own.

Don't expect the world to come knocking at your door, because that's not the way it works.

Enjoy every minute of it, because it will never be the first time again.



The only thing I would have done differently is given the book one last read, and then one after that and ... you get the picture; you never want to let it go, but at some point you have to
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:39 #42130 Reply To Post
Wendy Wynde Hi Doug,

I hope to drop in to the live chat, but just in case I can't, I wanted to ask you, what did your publisher expect of you, once they had accepted your story? Or, what did it take to turn a good story into a published novel?

Thanks, and well done!
Wendy

Hi Wendy
It took a lot to turn The Emperor's Elephant into the final novel - or three as I hope it will be - but I didn't really have to do a lot to the Caligula I sent to Transworld. Once you've got it to a certain stage tiny little adjustments can make an enormous difference. Put a sword in a slave's hand and you turn him into a hero.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:43 #42131 Reply To Post
Aves Hi Doug, Aves here. I'd like to know when your novel was accepted for publication, were you asked to 'tweak' it or do a massive re-write?
Cheers Jane.

Hi Aves, I think I just answered that question, but to expand on it, I've just started the publishers' rewrite of my second book and the first thing Simon asked me to do was take out one of the major characters who featured in every chapter and instigated certain parts of the storyline. In fact she gave me my ending. He had good reason for it, and it wasn't as difficult as it sounds, but it fairly took my breath away when I first read it.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:46 #42132 Reply To Post
Altguy3: Hi Doug

CALIGULA is the first part of a trilogy.

I know several other YWO members are writing trilogies/series (myself included!) and I was wondering whether you thought it was a help or a hinderance in getting a deal.

Catch up soon.

Best wishes

Guy


Hi Guy, good to hear from you again and I hope things are going well with The Africa Reich.

I don't think Simon was aware I planned a trilogy when he bought Caligula, although I could be wrong about that because one of the sales pictches is that it's the first in a series about Rufus the slave. I'm pretty certain that selling something that has the potential to spawn a dynasty has to be a good thing. In fact, judging by the stuff I see on the internet it may be the only thing.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:48 #42133 Reply To Post
datahog:
Greetings, Doug. Was there anything about the process of publication--from obtaining an agent through marketing your book--that surprised you?



Actually, everything has been a surprise, because it's all been new. Sometime's it's been frustrating but there's always a feeling that you're learning something.
Callant
 17 Aug 2008, 13:52 #42135 Reply To Post
I'd like to say a huge thanks to everyone who put in questions or dipped into the web chat. It was a bit frantic at my end and some of the replies weren't as measured as the questions deserved, but it was great fun.

Youwriteon played a big part in geting me published and if it can happen for me it can happen for you.

All the best,

Doug

Do a search for Doug Jackson Caligula on Google and you'll get Dougsbookblog, it goes into some of the points raised in a bit more detail
This post was last edited by Callant, 17 Aug 2008, 14:32
YouWriteOn
 17 Aug 2008, 14:36 #42141 Reply To Post
Thank you, Doug, a really informative chat and great questions. I've added a link below to Doug's blog for members.

View Doug's Countdown-to-Caligula Blog

We wish you every continued success, and, having really enjoyed Caligula, I am really looking forward to the next stories.



Ted



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