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SFM
 30 Jul 2011, 09:58 #125492 Reply To Post
Hello everyone. I am a new member to this site and I uploaded my story, 'Elemental - Run To Earth'. I have recieved four reviews and I'm very humbled to say so far, the reviews have all been very flattering.

I got my fourth review yesterday and I was advised by the reader to stick to my main character's POV throughout the story. They said it was 'distracting' to be given an objective point. This is particularly what I wanted to test.

I am writing in Third person, but I want to write not just through my main character's (Aaron) view or his eyes only. I want to be able to state facts and tell the story outwith Aaron's POV (objective points)

What I wanted to ask was, is this allowed? Can a story be third person narrative focusing on the main character but then switch to an objective (author) voice for some of it?

The ratings suggest that for Narrative Voice 3 have rated a 4 star and only 1 has given me a 2. Should I wait for more reviews before deciding?

I would really appreciate some advice. Many Thanks

SFM
archie_the_cat
 30 Jul 2011, 10:10 #125493 Reply To Post
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Writing is an art. There are no ‘rules’.

Reviewers on this site are constantly quoting these so called ‘rules’ of writing. If your writing is very bad, then you can probably improve it by applying some of these rules. But if you writing is good, you can throw the rules out of the window.

To take an example from the world of art. If you were learning to draw portraits and you put both eyes on the same side of the head, then it would be useful to apply the rule ‘eyes should go one each side of the nose’. But if you can draw well, the rule can be abandoned.

What I’m saying is (without making any comment on your work, which I haven’t read), if the switch from PoV to narration is something you’ve done accidentally, then go back and think about it. If you did it because that’s the way you wanted it, then leave it as it is.
This post was last edited by archie_the_cat, 30 Jul 2011, 10:12
SFM
 30 Jul 2011, 10:35 #125495 Reply To Post
Thank you!

I wasn't sure about what I should do. Personally I like switching from POV to narrative. It gives me a chance to state certain facts in the format I need it.

Also, as the story progress, it's important to go into other character's POV.

So if I stick to Aaron's POV I wouldn't be able to do that as everything has to be as he sees it and goes through it, right?
NickPoole
 30 Jul 2011, 10:40 #125496 Reply To Post

The only rule is, don't let the reader put the book down.

The rest are just comments or reactions. A reader might comment, "I didn't like it when I stopped riding along with x and suddenly you were just telling me about history or politics or something, so I skipped all that".

What keeps people reading?
STOP THE BILL
Warren Peace
 30 Jul 2011, 11:22 #125497 Reply To Post
Quote: NickPoole, Saturday, 30 Jul 2011 10:40

The only rule is, don't let the reader put the book down.

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Put superglue on the cover?
dancingsue
 30 Jul 2011, 11:45 #125498 Reply To Post
Quote: SFM, Saturday, 30 Jul 2011 09:58

I am writing in Third person, but I want to write not just through my main character's (Aaron) view or his eyes only. I want to be able to state facts and tell the story outwith Aaron's POV (objective points)

What I wanted to ask was, is this allowed? Can a story be third person narrative focusing on the main character but then switch to an objective (author) voice for some of it?

The ratings suggest that for Narrative Voice 3 have rated a 4 star and only 1 has given me a 2. Should I wait for more reviews before deciding?

I would really appreciate some advice. Many Thanks

SFM


I haven't read your piece but, in theory, writing in the third person does allow you to observe your MC from outside. However, if you are telling things from his POV, you can't really mention anything that he can't see and doesn't know unless you write in very definite sections so the reader is aware of an intentional switch. Perhaps your reviewers are suggesting the pov slips from time to time, or the 'voice' isn't consistently that of a 16 year-old when you're in his pov?
the long and the short of it

SFM
 30 Jul 2011, 12:54 #125503 Reply To Post
You've got a good point. I think that's what I'm doing, not separating the pov and the objective parts.

I'm not sure if this is allowed but I'll put in a bit from my chapter to give you an example,

'Aaron felt his mood plunge. His eyes darkened as he shook his head.'

Now the reader pointed out that his eyes darkening is distracting as Aaron wouldn't know that.

Also, when his parents are in the scene, I refer to them as thier names, Chris and Catherine, but the reader commented that it should be from Aaron's POV so it should be mum and dad. What do you think? I thought I could get away with talking about them as 'Catherine did this' or 'Chris looked away'.



SFM
 30 Jul 2011, 21:56 #125531 Reply To Post
Sorry, I realise that was a rubbish example to give. I've got another one. Again, apologies if posting excerpts is not allowed on forums. I'm new to the site so not quite sure what is permitted.

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Aaron swung his bag over his shoulder and started making his way down the path of Kelvin Avenue. He braced himself against the cold chill and the drizzly light rain, typical Glasgow weather. He turned the corner and just like always, he saw the two figures, also in school uniform, waiting for him at the end of the street. He smiled and continued walking, picking up the pace a little.

“Finally, about time!” Rose scolded as Aaron reached her. “Did you sleep in again?”

“No, I got up really early, actually.” Aaron defended. “A full half hour early.”

Rose shook her head at him while her brother, Sam chuckled.

“That is early.” he agreed and all three set off down the street.

Samuel Jackson and his twin sister, Rosalyn Jackson, lived only two houses away from Aaron. Despite being a year older than him, the twins were Aaron's closest friends. They grew up on this street together, their childhood spent chasing each other up and down the quiet streets of Glasgow. They would go apple picking, which consisted of stealing apples from their neighbours trees and picking flowers from their gardens.

Being twins, Sam and Rose both had brown hair and hazel eyes. Rose was undeniably the prettier of the twins, with her long hair, creamy white complexion, perfectly arched eyebrows over bright hazel eyes and an infectious smile that no one could resist. Sam shared her good nature, always laughing, poking fun whenever he could.

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It starts of with Aaron but then goes into objective point, explaining the twins and so on. Only one reader out of four said he/she found this distracting and suggested I should keep it all in Aaron's POV and said that as a reader, he/she doesn't care if Rose is technically prettier or not but would like to know if Aaron thinks she is pretty.

If any of you could please give me your opinion, if you agree with the reader and think I should change it so it stays in Aaron's POV all the time or if you think the way I have done it is acceptable. I would really appreciate any thoughts. Many Thanks!!
unclearthur
 30 Jul 2011, 22:08 #125532 Reply To Post
I've just read Tom Connery's 'A Shred of Honour' (Markham of the Marines series) and started the second book. Both were published by Orion.

This author has used a mix of third person (main character) POV plus an 'omniscient' viewpoint to tell - not show - goings-on elsewhere. There's quite a lot of that. In the second book the writer jumps, at one point, to the POVs of two unimportant secondary characters who never appear again. Without even a line break.

It just goes to show that one man's poor storytelling is another publisher's bestseller.

Stick to what you feel works best.

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SFM
 30 Jul 2011, 22:15 #125533 Reply To Post
Thank you

That's very comforting!!!

Personally, I like the changes between MC POV and objective (third person omniscient) viewpoints. So I'll do what you suggest; stick to what I feel is most comfortable.

Thank you very much!!
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