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AntCity
 27 Feb 2010, 00:57 #82650 Reply To Post
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Quote: AntCity, Thursday, 25 Feb 2010 14:58
Funny thing happened to me at the Tate Modern the other day. The first room me and the boys went in had a giant table and chairs in it; I felt as big as an ant. I think the exhibition manager must have read the thread about quantum physics. But how did he know I was going to be there? Weird.



he both knew and didn't know. by turning up, you made his decision for him


Are you suggesting that if I had not turned up, the room would have contained something else? But, my dear chap, that is simply preposterous!



No, its quantum


Can you explain quantum to me in fifty easy words?

sulcus
 27 Feb 2010, 09:25 #82654 Reply To Post
Light is both a particle and a wave.The more you try & determine either its position or momentum, the less you know about the other factor. Therefore things become probabilities rather than actualities. The maths is abstract and counter-intuitive.

Basically it means you can't trust your senses, your measuring instruments and that the observer affects what he observes.

Wrigley may pop along to give a proper (& no doubt contrary) view
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awrigley
 27 Feb 2010, 14:49 #82667 Reply To Post
The maths are based on conservation of energy and the uncertainty principle.

What is unintuitive is any effort to make it intuitive. There is a good reason for this: it is unintuitive to expect a square peg to be a fit for a round hole (the square peg being human 'intuition' and the round hole being reality).

The best explanation of Quantum Mechanics could not be more simple:

It accurately describes and predicts natural phenomena at the sub atomic level.

No other explanation is needed.

As Ant, presumably, exceeds the subatomic level, in terms of size, then the effect referred to in this thread has a zero probability of happening. It is, as stated, preposterous.

As to light being BOTH a particle and a wave, this is also wrong. A photon, a 'quantum' of light, BEHAVES both like a particle and a wave. But it IS neither.

A photon is a photon and nothing could simpler than an object being equal to itself.

This behaviour is the result of the probabilities that are at the heart of Quantum Mechanics. A high spike of probability is 'particle like', whereas an even distribution of probability is 'wave like'.

On a philosophical level, you can say that this probability refers to the fact that some things cannot be predicted exactly.

We all know what a football will do when David Beckham kicks it (it will fly over the top of the goal and England is out of the European Cup: this has a probability of 1, ie, it is certain). However, a football is a very different thing to a quark, and therein lies the conundrum. The same 'intuitive' logic does not apply.

It has to be said that all this refers to prediction rather what has happened. We can know what actually happened with total certainty.

What we cannot do is predict with certainty. We can only calculate probabilities based on the conservation of energy and other such results of the mathematical symmetries of the equations involved.

That should clear it all up...

Andrew

PS: off tonight to Cuba, so this is the last call.

This post was last edited by awrigley, 27 Feb 2010, 14:51
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sulcus
 27 Feb 2010, 15:51 #82670 Reply To Post
Andrew, an exemplary knowledge of physics for which I thank you.

However, England cannot be knocked out of the European Cup as that is a competition for club sides. They could however be knocked out of the European Championship, but since qualification for that tournament doesn't start until the Summer, one would hope that Beckham would not be anywhere near playing due to his superannuation.

Have a great trip and tip my beret to Fidel, though I understand he isn't taking personal callers.
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