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I've written a happy memoir.
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Riaz Ali
 19 Sep 2010, 23:16 #99462 Reply To Post

There's clearly a market for 'tragic life' autobiographies and memoirs, we all know that.

Unfortunately, I've written a comedy memoir which I suspect, because it is not easily slotable into any obvious category (I don't see a comedy memoir section in W.H.Smiths) is allowing me to build up a lovely collection of email rejections from agents.

However, oddly, the very first person I submitted it to requested to see the full manuscript. It was to a reputable Scottish agency, highly regarded in the industry with a collection of well known authors on its books. There are only four agents working at the agency and the person I submitted my initial 50 page submission to, within two weeks, asked to see the full manuscript. Sadly, two months later he rejected it. He did not criticise my book at all, but stated that a few months ago he had taken on somebody else who had written 'an equally wonderful, but very different, memoir and I have just spent the last week reading the glowing rejections from publishers...'

Since then I have submitted it to four more agents who have dismissed it without requesting to see the full book. But I tell myself, to keep my hopes up, that I must have done something good, I must be on the right track, to get that first initial full manuscript request.

The thing is - I *could* make mine more tragic. There are a few dark things that happened to me as a child that I could dip into more, but I'm just not sure. The general writing style of the book is one of irreverent humour and it is hard to, for example, write about child abuse using the sort of off the wall humour that Peter Cook was so famous for and with which my humour could be compared to.

Anyway, I digress. Just sharing my limited experience of submitting to agents here

Malcolm
 20 Sep 2010, 04:15 #99470 Reply To Post
Mary Karr's The Liar's Club is a memoir that blends horrible events with irreverent humor, but if you feel the addition of bad memories would spoil the style of your book, don't do it. You can always pitch it as straight autobiography or humorous nonfiction. If one agent liked it, others will, too.
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dancingsue
 20 Sep 2010, 09:33 #99477 Reply To Post
Why not upload it here and see what reviewers think of it. It will help you, at the very least, with a final polish, and may throw up some useful suggestions.

One thing I would say is that relentless joking can be as wearing as constant tragedy. Sometimes dropping a tragic or poignant anecdote into a humorous mix can work very well and be all the more affecting because of the juxtaposition. Achieving the right balance is the key.
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Riaz Ali
 20 Sep 2010, 10:40 #99483 Reply To Post

Yes, I may do. If a prospective agent knew it was uploaded here though, would it be in my favour or would it go against me? (even if it received positive reviews here)

Even if the agent had no intention of chasing it up here, I know some of them are sensitive when it comes to exclusivity and like to think they are the only ones able to read your manuscript, at any given time.

dancingsue
 20 Sep 2010, 11:03 #99486 Reply To Post
As a matter of fact, agents do look on here and sometimes chase up authors for a full ms! If you finish the month in the top 3 'novels' (a memoir would count as that), you'll get a professional crit from an editor from Orion or Random House. Check them out on the Professional Critiques Forum - the in-depth crits are very detailed and well worth having. I think agents and publishers probably prefer that you've gone to the trouble of editing your own work according to reviews - it saves a lot of bother for them!
the long and the short of it

KLM7640
 20 Sep 2010, 12:20 #99491 Reply To Post
Quote: dancingsue, Monday, 20 Sep 2010 11:03
As a matter of fact, agents do look on here and sometimes chase up authors for a full ms! If you finish the month in the top 3 'novels' (a memoir would count as that), you'll get a professional crit from an editor from Orion or Random House. Check them out on the Professional Critiques Forum - the in-depth crits are very detailed and well worth having. I think agents and publishers probably prefer that you've gone to the trouble of editing your own work according to reviews - it saves a lot of bother for them!
Yes, and I know of someone who used his top 3 ranking on here as a selling point with agents - one of them took him on straight away.

Marita Hansen
 20 Sep 2010, 13:57 #99495 Reply To Post
Quote: dancingsue, Monday, 20 Sep 2010 11:03
As a matter of fact, agents do look on here and sometimes chase up authors for a full ms! If you finish the month in the top 3 'novels' (a memoir would count as that), you'll get a professional crit from an editor from Orion or Random House. Check them out on the Professional Critiques Forum - the in-depth crits are very detailed and well worth having. I think agents and publishers probably prefer that you've gone to the trouble of editing your own work according to reviews - it saves a lot of bother for them!


The professional critiques are definitely worth it. Natalie set me in the right direction for who I should market my book at, as well as other things.
mkrobinson12
 20 Sep 2010, 16:02 #99500 Reply To Post
Quote: KLM7640, Monday, 20 Sep 2010 12:20
Quote: dancingsue, Monday, 20 Sep 2010 11:03
As a matter of fact, agents do look on here and sometimes chase up authors for a full ms! If you finish the month in the top 3 'novels' (a memoir would count as that), you'll get a professional crit from an editor from Orion or Random House. Check them out on the Professional Critiques Forum - the in-depth crits are very detailed and well worth having. I think agents and publishers probably prefer that you've gone to the trouble of editing your own work according to reviews - it saves a lot of bother for them!
Yes, and I know of someone who used his top 3 ranking on here as a selling point with agents - one of them took him on straight away.



It does happen. Annette Green approached me when one of my works made number 2 back in March. She asked for the entire ms. Sadly, she decided not to take me on in the end, but I received a good deal of feedback from her (almost like another pro crit, just a bit shorter). We must have emailed back and forth a dozen times, so I think it was a close run thing (or maybe I'm deluding myself, I don't know which). The best thing, it didn't feel so much like the standard rejection because she approached me instead of vice versa. So, agents do trawl YWO from time to time, but my guess is they only have time to look at the top rated stuff (which doesn't mean the rest is w/o merit by the way). Doesn't hurt to try posting your work. The feedback is the most helpful part of the process. And you get to meet some interesting and nice people.
sulcus
 20 Sep 2010, 17:12 #99505 Reply To Post
I'd love to know the percentage of requests for full Mss that then go on to be taken on. My anecdotal evidence is virtually all get rejected in this two-three month period between initial submission and the full. It's been my experience too.

Now either the initial sample is so highly polished, but the rest of the Ms lacks the same standard, or maybe the book in full isn't what the agent imagined it to be from the sample (in which case what is your synopsis doing exactly?) or what was zeitgeist in feel two months prior, has now gone past its sell-by date.

I'd love an agent's take on this mysterious twilight time.
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Sammy
 20 Sep 2010, 17:48 #99508 Reply To Post
Quote: sulcus, Monday, 20 Sep 2010 17:12
I'd love to know the percentage of requests for full Mss that then go on to be taken on. My anecdotal evidence is virtually all get rejected in this two-three month period between initial submission and the full. It's been my experience too.

Now either the initial sample is so highly polished, but the rest of the Ms lacks the same standard, or maybe the book in full isn't what the agent imagined it to be from the sample (in which case what is your synopsis doing exactly?) or what was zeitgeist in feel two months prior, has now gone past its sell-by date.

I'd love an agent's take on this mysterious twilight time.



Can't give you the agents' take, I'm afraid (I'd also love to know).

But, in my experience, I've had a full ms rejected by two agents because of the 'supernatural' angle, even though this angle was very clear from the opening chapters and synopsis.

It may be a junior agent or editor in an agency who asks for the full ms, and then, when it goes all the way to the top, the head honcho rejects it for whatever reason. Also had this happen to me.

Sometimes, it is down to the writer. I think many writers lose their way two thirds into a book - me again - and find it very hard to bring a promising start to a satisfying conclusion.

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