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YouWriteOn Top Ten feedback each month from editors for Random House & OrionYouWriteOn is delighted to announce that YouWriteOn Top Ten Chart writers as listed on the first of each month will now be read exclusively by editors from publishers who publish some of the world's bestselling authors, including Random House & Orion. The three highest rated novel extract writers in the Top Ten, who haven't previously received a indepth critique, will receive a professional critique from editors for the publishers. The other writers in the Top Ten, novel openings and short stories, will also be read by and commented on by the editors from Random House & Orion. We think this is an excellent way for Top Ten writers to be read by and receive feedback from editors for world leading publishers. We believe it gives more opportunity for talented writers to gain access to leading publishers. For example, as in the case of our 2009 Book of the Year Award winner, The Legacy, which was read by an Orion editor after being rated into the YouWriteOn Top Ten and received a 2 book deal with Orion. Writers who previously gained a professional critique may upload their story again for review exchange and Top Ten feedback 6 months after they received their professional critique. This gives those writers further opportunities for professional feedback, as well as giving opportunities for new writers uploading their writing
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Random House Editor Feedback on:Title : Stealing Babies Author : Gillian Charles Genre : Crime Date Uploaded : 30 March 2009 Click to read excerpt Synopsis Imagine wanting something so badly, you’d lie or steal…only when you got that 'thing', warm and sweet-breathing in your arms, it wasn’t enough. You had to do it over again. Only this time you had to get it right… When a baby goes missing, it kickstarts a train of events that become impossible to stop. And then a second baby gets stolen. Dear Gillian, Congratulations on being selected for a professional critique, and really well done on what seems to be a gripping, absorbing novel. I enjoyed the chapters I read very much and would happily have read on for what, going off your synopsis, looks to be a very exciting story! Obviously it’s difficult to give you a completely full critique of your work having only read your opening chapters and synopsis, and my comments are obviously only suggestions, but I hope the things I have mentioned will be of some use to you. Characters You have created some really fascinating characters. I do think that on the whole we need more insight into all of them, however. I wonder if they might all benefit from being a little more well-rounded, so we can see more of their thoughts, feelings, dialogue, responses to things and reactions to each other. You cover, and plan to cover (reading your synopsis) some very deep psychological and emotive issues and I think for us to understand, empathise with and like your characters we really do need to know them better. Perhaps more superficially, I also think that your readers need to have a very clear idea of what your main characters all look like, so that when we see do them from different perspectives we can tell who they are. Emma I think Emma is the one of your characters that I am most confused about. In your opening sample chapters she seems to be quite closed, almost cold at times and I wonder if we need to like her more given that she ultimately become the victim in this web of deceit. Quirks such as her dislike of chewing gum, and seemingly quite irrational dislike of boys, make her seem rather prissy. We never actually see a more light-hearted side to her personality. I know you’ve created an intense psychological thriller and not a chick-lit book, but I do think some more highs and lows might be good. Emma tells us she’s always loved the races, but we don’t see that when she is there, we don’t see her betting or in conversation, or in fact even really having a good time. The races might be a good place, to show us a little more of Emma’s personality. I also wondered about her relationship with her children. They are referred to but never seen. Is this purposely done? I wondered if perhaps seeing her interact with her little girls, rather than just hearing about them might show your readers that although she is very focussed on her current pregnancy she is already a loving mother, and therefore a more sympathetic character. Emma’s relationship with Cameron is also a little hidden from the reader. Perhaps if we saw more of it we could understand better the way she feels about him, and maybe how it changes to provoke her into lying to him about the sex of their baby, and, of course, have an affair with Mickey. In your opening chapter their relationship is painted in quite a positive light – we’re told she loves her husband – but this is very much at odds with the way she behaves later on, “The start of another row” is mentioned, for example. When Emma does discover that her unborn child is a boy what is her reaction? Is she worried because she really does not want a boy, or because she is worried about Cameron’s reaction to the news? Joanna Again, I think it would be brilliant to have more of Joanna in these opening chapters, especially as she goes on to play such an important role in the plot. We get only a very brief glimpse of events from Joanna’s perspective and I really felt like I wanted more because she’s so fascinating. The more we know of her, even if it is from her own perspective, the bigger the shock when we discover she’s an I.V. junkie and ultimately a child snatcher and attempted murderess. Bev I was quite confused by Bev and her character and I feel like you left your reader with many unanswered questions about her. I think to leave some mystery surrounding her would work brilliantly in your exciting plot, but I think we need to know her, or at least start to get to know her, better than we do at the moment, to give your readers the answers to some questions . . . In your synopsis, you refer to her as a ‘chancer’. So is her behaviour in these opening chapters some kind of act to woo Mickey? Has she singled him out as a soft touch? Where has she been when Mickey first meets her and why is she so delicate and upset? I know we find out later (in chapter 5) about her having been at Debs’, but it seems a little disjointed that we don’t actually find this out when she first meets Mickey. Mickey smells sick in her hair but doesn’t ask about it. All these unanswered details mean she’s very distant from us as readers. You’ve created a really intriguing character in her, but I feel at the moment as if she is also overshadowed by her relationship with Mickey a little. She doesn’t have any narrative from her perspective, rather just a few flashes of insight in a chapter mostly from Mickey’s perspective. I think I’d suggest including some sections of Bev as it would be good to see her in her own right a little more. I was also interested in her ideas about fate, and it would be good to see more of this from her in these opening stages as I imagine it will come into play even more as the book progresses. Mickey I think Mickey is a great character, and I love the fact we have this one male perspective to counter your three women. I think readers will have lots of questions about him too. He’s the vital link between Bev and Emma, so I think it would be good to clearly establish his role in Emma’s life at the outset. Is he Cam’s sole personal driver, or is it that his taxi firm deals a lot with Cam and Mickey happens to get his jobs a lot? Mickey tells us in Chapter Three that Cameron is a “top man” but we get no sense of them having any kind of relationship at all. This might be something you want to bring out a little more to give us some insight into both their characters. Do you want us to like Mickey? In your synopsis his intentions towards Bev initially seem kind and genuine to a point. He also very quickly refers to Bev as a girlfriend, which implies he does want a serious relationship. But this seems to contrast with his quite crude attitude towards sex with her. I wonder if you might want to show some more genuine affection between the couple as they get to know each other as well as just the sexual contact? Plot Reading your synopsis, it looks like your plot works well and I love the way you’ve weaved the lives of your three women into each other, with devastating effects. Your book clearly builds in intensity, action and emotion and looks in really good shape to be something very exciting. I especially love your final confrontation scene between Joanna and Emma. I have made some specific points about the plot at the bottom of this letter, and just have a few more general issues, which I’ll raise here. critique continues next post
This post was last edited by ProfessionalCritique, 22 Jun 2009, 14:08
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I feel as though we need much more of a reason for why Emma and Cameron are so against having a boy child. I know you explain Emma’s feelings, based on her bad experience with the French exchange student and her mother’s opinions when she was younger, but to me this didn’t seem like enough of a reason for her to lie to her husband about the sex of their child. Likewise, for Cameron – why is he so against having a boy child? I think we need to understand why two parents couldn’t just love their child as he is. Does Emma actually accept this boy child before his kidnap?
I think we need to have more of a build up to the first baby-stealing conversation between Mickey and Bev. It seems to, very quickly and easily, take a turn towards the idea of ransom etc and it’s not totally clear whether Mickey is joking when he raises this. Bev does seem to think he’s playing here. Does this then spark the seed of an idea? I think it might work well to let your readers into Bev’s thought process over this so we can see it as something that slowly becomes more feasible
Structure
On the whole I think you’ve done a great job of constructing each chapter and leaving us with enough suspense and mystery to keep our attention, and the flow and pace of the story. I just have a couple of comments about your structure as it is at the moment . . .
It’s not always totally clear what time frame you’re in – past or present. I think this could be made a little clearer especially in Chapter Three. It’s brilliant to let us have information about your characters past lives, but it might be even more effective if it’s clearer when we jump back to the present.
I love the choice you have made to show us each character from their different perspectives throughout the book. I think it fits brilliantly with carrying the reader along with the twists and turns of your plot and is really intriguing. I love the way you link your characters too. The scene in Marks and Spencer from Joanna’s eyes is a great example of this. I did wonder if it would work slightly better to have your structure slightly more regimented. Perhaps having longer sections – chapters even – from each character would work, to avoid any feeling of the narrative being disjointed, and to enable us to get a sense of each of your main protagonists equally.
In your synopsis, you refer to the opening teasing scene at the swimming pool as a prologue, which I think would work really well – it’s mysterious, well-written and really draws the reader in. In the writing sample I read, you’ve actually included it as part of chapter one. It’s only a small thing, but personally I feel like this opening scene/prologue will have even more atmosphere if it’s made completely separate to chapter one.
I would suggest introducing more of Joanna in these early stages, and also more of Bev. Perhaps we could see the conversation between her and Mickey in the pub, and see her tell him about her troubles rather than just hear about it? I think it would be good to have met and started to get to know all four of your key players in these opening chapters.
Atmosphere/Tone
You’re pitching this as a thriller, and clearly the events that unfold do live up to this genre! You have definitely mastered the quick-pace, quick barrage of information needed by readers of your genre, but I do think you could afford to slow down a little in these opening chapters and give us a bit more detail. There are places you could build a little more atmosphere and more tension, I think. The busy setting of Emma at the races contrasts the dingy pub where Mickey meets Bev brilliantly, for example, but I feel like there could be even more contrast in your settings to create some real highs and lows.
I feel our characters could provide some more intensity and highs and lows too as I mentioned in the character section of this letter. Perhaps if we see more of Emma’s real panic about the fact that her unborn baby is a boy, more fear about what Cam will say and do, for example, or more of Bev’s thoughts when the ransom/baby-stealing issue is raised this might do it. Equally, a couple of high points to contrast these tense moments might work well, lulling the reader into a false sense of security before things change – some real tenderness and affection between Bev and Mickey or between Emma and Cam might do this.
You write well, and I was absolutely carried along with the story you’ve created. There are just a few places in these opening chapters where I felt you could make certain paragraphs a little tighter style-wise to keep the pace and intrigue needed in a thriller, but I’m sure you would have done this automatically as you re-visited the manuscript anyway. I also wanted to add that there were quite a few typos in the sample, whilst obviously these didn’t hamper my enjoyment; there were a couple of times when I was confused because of a certain word. Again, I’m sure you would have caught these in your next draft.
Some more specific points
I wondered why the action took place in the not-so-distant past. Is there something significant about 2000 that has made you choose it. If so, perhaps more should be made of it? Your tone and topics are very accessible and up-to-date, so if you aren’t wedded to 2000 then I see no reason why you couldn’t have the novel set in the present if you wanted to.
Chapter One
It seems strange that the colour of Mickey’s shirt brings vomit to Emma’s throat. Going off the synopsis, they go on to have an intimate relationship and he helps her out. This strong reaction makes it seem as though she blames him for everything.
Chapter Two
I wasn’t sure why Emma is actually hiding the little jumper she buys at the races. Is it because she’s not sure whether Cameron’s colleagues know about the pregnancy yet? This could possibly be made a little clearer. Is the intense man, Baz, the one Joanna asked to be remembered to? Should you point this out? Does it go anywhere?
Synopsis
In your opening lines you mention murder, but I wasn’t sure from the synopsis actually if anybody was murdered in the end. If Bev is arrested, how does she keep the child with her? Wouldn’t it go to somebody else? Is Emma’s baby boy left in the care of his grandmother because she can’t accept him? Why is Joanna left childless? Hasn’t she got the baby she stole from the swimming pool? Congratulations again on a very exciting, accomplished piece of work which I very much enjoyed reading. I really do hope some of my comments are useful for you, and I wish you the very best of luck with everything you do. I think that with some tightening of style and the addition of more characterisation it will be a very gripping story that will stand up well against other titles in the genre.
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Random House Editor Feedback on other Top Ten stories:Editor comment for May Top Ten stories that haven't yet received professional feedback. View Top Ten lists for 2009 I think this month The Stranger in the Desert was my favourite of the three extracts below. She has a great tone that really drew me in and I was absolutely keen to read more. I was also very impressed with the way she portrayed the very real setting and very real characters with the mystical element when Michael appeared. I’d like to get to know Ahmed a little better, but I suppose this will develop as the books does. I would be interested to know how it progresses, please do pass on my congratulations to Jane. The Stranger in the Desert by Jane Finch I think this is lovely, atmospheric writing with a lovely tone that absolutely made me want to read on. I think the author has done a wonderful job of creating a vivid Egyptian setting that is alien to us over here, and a mystical element, whilst giving Ahmed such recognisable, understandable human characteristics. I do think we could perhaps feel Ahmed’s resentment and frustration build a little more slowly, rather than have it all burst out so early on, but he does still seem like a vividly depicted and very real character. Michael also looks like he is going to be an absolutely fascinating character, but I did feel slightly removed from him. I wonder if this was purposely done in order to make him even more mystical, but I think it would be good to describe Michael as vividly as she does everything else, with a few more details, perhaps. Monkey Business by Rosalind Winter This is a great story, which I think with the right illustrations would make a lovely book for younger children. I particularly liked Rosalind’s brilliantly done, funny scenes with the monkey, which I’m sure will really appeal to child readers. I was slightly concerned that there were a few too many long sentences with lots of ‘ands’ in them that might trouble readers reading on their own for the first time. I also wondered whether a little more description of the setting - this tropical island and all its bright colours would be good. A tropical island like this won’t be very familiar to young readers, and as it is “the most beautiful place in the world” it might be good to have more about it. I thought the story was, on the whole, really well constructed and paced. The only thing I wondered about plot-wise was whether the King and the monkey should actually become more of a team, working together against the ‘baddies’, ie the Admiral and his crew? This might also create more of a climactic ending, with celebrations etc that the Admiral has gone. The Peter Chair by Jasper Dorgan I thought this was innovative and atmospheric and I was very intrigued by what I was reading – congratulations on being chosen for the top ten, it’s interesting to read an original piece of work like this. I enjoyed your very atmospheric opening, which I think draws the reader in, grabbing their attention and setting the tone really well for the rest of these opening pages. I also thought you did a wonderful job of creating vivid characters that really jump off the page. Your device of showing them, their appearance and some little quirks through Peter’s eyes works well and they, and obviously Peter himself with all his bitterness and black humour are very well written. I did feel that at times the mystery surrounding Peter and your setting overshadowed your story-telling a little and I wondered if you might want to slowly add in a few more details to make these clearer for the reader. Congratulations again, and I wish you the best of luck with all your work. Orion Feedback from editor Natalie Braine:Fly by Chuck Buckner I thought this was incredibly atmospheric, and subtly explored not only how death can affect those that are left behind, but how grief can take very different forms. It addressed the big themes of life and death, but was told in an intimate way that was both melancholic and uplifting. The Rainbow Seeds by Beth Silver This was obviously a didactic tale, but it never felt too moralistic in conveying its message. It was richly told, with wonderful characterisation, and I marveled at each wonderful new plant that Selma grew. I think a lot of young children would be enchanted by this story. The Scarlet Ribbon by Rosalind Winter This is a charming little tale, with a clear moral message at its core. It’s simply told yet never feels predictable or straightforward. This is a traditional children’s story that is as entertaining as it is thought-provoking for young readers. Bcc: by Daniel Lewis This is a dark, modern tale that makes for a compelling read. You had me hooked from the very first paragraph, eager to know what had happened. Madeleine is an intriguing character, and you really get inside her head. While it is told entirely from her perspective, you strike that difficult balance between provoking empathy yet also unsettling the reader with the consequences of Madeleine’s actions. Most office workers will have received a similar viral email to Luke’s and I’m sure the next time someone who has read your story gets one, they’ll pause for thought before mercilessly laughing at the person’s misfortune! Through the Eyes of Douglas - Previous professional feedback:Darren Guest Of the many submissions I have had from YouWriteOn, I find this is one of the most difficult to comment on. But before I try to explain why, let me say a number of good things about the material. You write well – the prose flows easily enough and with good varied rhythms which enhance the more dramatic moments. You conjure up the atmosphere of the prison effectively, and your characters are well-drawn, their relationships are clear, and their dialogue sounds natural and is used to advance the narrative. You open the first chapter with an arresting sentence, well designed to make the reader want to continue, and in its own way the start of Chapter 2 might be described as “gripping”. As for spelling, punctuation and grammar, there is little to complain of (although I see you say in the synopsis that the book is for “growed-ups” – are these the same as “grown-ups”? or is it the latest jargon? or a joke? And I would like to persuade you not to follow the modern habit of using “like” when it should be “as if”). Now, why do I find it difficult to comment on your material? Because I am uncertain about where the story is going. The synopsis is so brief and vague that it does not help (if you think of submitting these chapters to a publisher, a much more detailed synopsis would be necessary), and the two chapters themselves are introductory (Chapter 1seems to me to be really a Prologue, and I wonder whether it might be a good idea to label it as such) and do not give me much sense of the body of the book. As a result I cannot be sure whether I would be saying the same things if I had read the completed work. You must therefore please accept my comments as having been written more tentatively than I would have liked. My first problem is the realistic nature of these two chapters. Apart from Douglas’ dreams, there is nothing to suggest that this will turn into a horror novel, and although you are perhaps trying to give us a picture of normality against which the eventual horror will be all the more horrific, I wonder whether you are being too leisurely about it. I hesitate to make the suggestion – it’s your book, not mine – but might it be effective to let Douglas feel almost from his first meeting with Prince that Prince is controlling his brain? Well, it’s just an idea, but I think you need something like that to give an early hint of the nature of what is to come. continues next post
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I also wonder about the fact that Douglas is a murderer. Is the “negative energy” of his crime the cause of the horror he later experiences, and if not, is the murder simply a means of getting him into prison so that he can meet Prince and learn about the Debt Collector? And who is Lucas Driscal and are we going to hear more about him? And will Nana Lacy reappear and play a part in the story? And does Audrey come in again?
Leaving those questions in the air, I will move on to matters on which I can comment more confidently: Stories in which horror is a major element usually make considerable demands on the reader’s suspension of disbelief. I think you need to be careful not to ask too much – I found myself stopping in a number of places because I found it difficult to accept this or that. The first boggle came with the cup of gin before breakfast and before going to bed. Maybe such an extraordinary dietary regime for a child is based on real life, but whether or not it’s true is irrelevant – it took me out of the story for a moment or two, made me read the sentence again to make sure I hadn’t misunderstood, and left me unbelieving, and all of that is not what you want the reader to do, especially so early in the story (unless of course the gin is to have a major part to play in the horror). The next thing I found difficult was why everyone in Hollesley Bay Colony was so terrified of Prince – OK, he has an extremely forceful personality, but he is not described as physically powerful, and even if he were big enough to beat up any challenger, why haven’t the other kids ganged up on him, especially since he does not appear to have any buddies who might defend him? Then I found myself wondering whether the inmates of a prison for young offenders are really able to stay in bed and miss meals without any of the staff apparently taking any notice. I have no problem with the concept of Prince’s Debt Collector, nor even the idea that he should transfer himself to Douglas, but I was bothered by the tattoo – why did Prince want it on his back, where he would never see it? and how big was the image – it must have been a pretty enormous sheriff’s badge to get a long word like “Collector” on it? You may feel that these are all minor matters, but each of them stopped me reading for a moment or two.
I would like to suggest that quite a lot of the material could go without being missed. The description of Douglas arriving at the prison could be shortened; the paragraph about the cue ball could go; I feel quite sure that Chapter 1 should finish with “Douglas closed his eyes and did the same.” because the material about adult prison does not appear to add anything of real significance, and Prince’s death and Douglas’s reaction to it make a very strong ending. Anything that is not essential should be cut – it will give much more excitement to the prose. We almost all over-write, and you should look at every sentence and ask whether it has a real function in the story, and if not, then away with it. Don’t forget that readers like to use their own imagination and if you guide them in the right direction, they will understand more than is on the page.
Have you a special reason for using Ipswich Crown Court and Hollesley Bay Colony? You don’t in fact need to name the Crown Court, and it might be wiser to use a fictitious name for the prison (or simply call it “the prison for young offenders”), especially if Bridger and Clifton are real people.
Some other small points:
Surely the judge would not call Douglas “Mr Duffy”, at least not at this stage of the trial. I would have though it would be plain “Duffy”.
Shouldn’t the issue of manslaughter come before “His appointed solicitor got his “tariff...”, which ought to be the last word on the trial?
Why promise Douglas a single cell, and make it quite an issue, when it seems that he stays with Prince the whole time in Hollesley until Prince’s death?
Is Prince a surname or a nickname? At first I thought it was the latter, given to him because of his status in the prison, and I still don’t know whether or not that was your intention. Perhaps it doesn’t matter.
I would like to suggest that all references to the passing of time in Chapter 1 should come out – I think the narrative will just work better without them, because thinking of how much longer Douglas has to serve, or how long he has known Prince is a distraction for the reader.
Don’t give minor characters names unless you have to. As soon as you name a character you are giving a signal to the reader saying “Please remember this person, who will have another part to play later in the story”. This might apply to Audrey, and would almost certainly be the case with Jenson and the prison officers.
Finally, your title is – at least to me – unexciting, and gives no impression of the nature of the book. And are you wedded to Douglas as the name of your central character? I always avoid names ending in ‘s’ – you then don’t have to bother about whether to use “Douglas’s” or “Douglas’”
Thank you for letting me see this material, which has certainly aroused my interest. I hope that at least some of what I have said will be of help to you, and I wish you luck with your writing.
Michael Legat
The indepth critique of Secrets and Ghosts from an Orion editor will be displayed here in due course.
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I've only just spotted this 22 June post ...  Thank you so much for your kind comments. Very much, though belatedly, appreciated! Athene
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