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Temperance
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I've just read this for the fourth time and am still finding great stuff to love about it. I'm not much of a one for feminist literature - hated The Women's Room and never manged to finish it - but this is a powerful and entertaining story about what real friendship is and the complexity of the mother/daughter relationship.
Everyone has a price - mine is chocolate Chocolate is important.
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sophiemp
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Quote: Temperance, Sunday, 17 Jan 2010 17:18I've just read this for the fourth time and am still finding great stuff to love about it. I'm not much of a one for feminist literature - hated The Women's Room and never manged to finish it - but this is a powerful and entertaining story about what real friendship is and the complexity of the mother/daughter relationship. I'm not criticizing your taste in books, but I didn't enjoy The Ya-Ya Sisterhood, for the same reason I didn't enjoy Fried Green Tomatoes. There was something smug about the author's presentation of the characters--I felt like it didn't matter whether I liked them or not, because the author liked them enough for both of us. Do you know what I mean? I imagine it would be difficult to write a novel about characters you DON'T like, but I don't like feeling that the author is telling me, 'These characters are great, whether you think so or not.' I worry about making the same mistake in my own fiction, because I know at times I've become more fond of my characters than they probably deserve.
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I didn't find that. Well, perhaps a little with Sidda but I love the Ya-Ya's themselves. My mother has always been somewhat bohemian with a close gang of girlfriends, and the seven of us kids had a slightly strange upbringing so I see parallels. Could I ask you about a word that crops up? It's 'tamales'. I get the gist of it in 'These cocktails wouldn't by any chance be for those three old hot tamales who pulled up in the convertible, would they?' but I'd be interested to know more about the word which is one I've never heard other than in this book. Is it just a southern thing? I know what you mean about characters. I get to love mine, but you have to a bit, don't you?
This post was last edited by Temperance, 18 Jan 2010, 22:43
Everyone has a price - mine is chocolate Chocolate is important.
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Quote: Temperance, Monday, 18 Jan 2010 22:42I didn't find that. Well, perhaps a little with Sidda but I love the Ya-Ya's themselves. My mother has always been somewhat bohemian with a close gang of girlfriends, and the seven of us kids had a slightly strange upbringing so I see parallels. Could I ask you about a word that crops up? It's 'tamales'. I get the gist of it in 'These cocktails wouldn't by any chance be for those three old hot tamales who pulled up in the convertible, would they?' but I'd be interested to know more about the word which is one I've never heard other than in this book. Is it just a southern thing? I know what you mean about characters. I get to love mine, but you have to a bit, don't you? Tamales are a Mexican dish, often spicy. A 'hot tamale' is an attractive person with a lively personality--someone who looks like fun. Also known as a 'live wire,' or a 'pistol.' It's an American expression, not strictly Southern. It's been several years since I read it, and maybe if I read it again I could articulate the problem. I don't mind colorful characters, but there was something a little too insistent about it. Or maybe it was just Sidda. I thought the author indulged her a bit too much. Anyway, if you haven't read Fried Green Tomatoes, I think you might like it. Fannie Flagg is also a Southern writer, and very colorful in her own right. I'm more of a Bastards Out of Carolina person, myself. It's certainly easier when you like your characters, but even when you don't, I think you have to have a certain amount of compassion for them. Not liking, necessarily, but a bit of understanding.
This post was last edited by sophiemp, 19 Jan 2010, 01:44
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Thanks for that. Certainly the right word to describe the Ya-Ya girls. We all try to make our characters breathe in the hope the reader believes in them and see them through our own eyes. Perhaps this is because we tend to think everyone else thinks the way we do, have the same values and will love or despise who we do. It can be painful when they don’t, and it happens a lot. For example the Ya-Ya Sisterhood has many positive reviews on Amazon (I’ve only looked at UK not com) but here is a one star review which says; 'Well I just don't get it. If you are expecting humour, likeable characters and something approaching real life, forget it. This is a not very well written cataglogue of self-indulgence. I failed to engage with a single character - the two main female protagonists are a mother and daughter who are neck and neck in the race for who most deserves a smack on the legs.' I wondered if we had read the same book but there you go, readers will always see the world and people through their own eyes. I agree the author indulged Sidda too much but that has to be the most elegant description of masturbation ever wrtitten. Lol
This post was last edited by Temperance, 19 Jan 2010, 11:51
Everyone has a price - mine is chocolate Chocolate is important.
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When it comes to wanking, I don't give points for elegance. Give me Alexander Portnoy any day.
I have a character in my first novel who is considered by most readers to be a bitch. When I attend book groups where the book is being discussed, there is always someone who will comment on her bitchiness. And every time, another reader will stick up for her and point out some of her good qualities. This is sometimes followed by a debate about whether the reader is supposed to like her or not. Makes me feel I've done a good job with that character, and it also makes me think that how a person responds to her says as much about the reader as it does about the character.
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I haven't read it but I did read the (prequel?) Little Altars Everywhere. At least I think that's what it was called. I loved it.
But I was shocked. Knowing nothing about it when I bought it - and with it being bright pink - it had been shelved in the children's section.
Definitely an oversight there! It's not for kiddies. But I won't ruin the ending for anyone.
Must read the Main Gig now.
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Hey 3L. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it even if you are reading the books out of sequence – Divine Secrets was first, then Little Altars followed by Ya-Yas in Bloom. As they all deal mainly with the past rather then the present the order you read them in doesn’t seem to matter. I agree about the covers. They are all awful and of a style which I think demean the content. I think the publishers made a big mistake, but then they all sold well despite looking like lightweight Chic Lit – no offense to that genre. Covers are so important and you’d be surprised how many times I’ve seen them influence customer’s decisions to buy or reject. They say you shouldn’t ‘read a book by its cover’ but I believe they should at least be an intriguing glimpse of the true content. I'm in the midst of annual stock taking and it's made me realise how many really brilliant ones are about. I like the gagged and bound look btw. You just need to get one of those lovely little gimp masks Sulcus introduced me to. Lol
Everyone has a price - mine is chocolate Chocolate is important.
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Deep down I'm really quite shallow so I always judge a book by its cover. I don't know who was responsible for devising that idiom but they couldn't be more wrong. I don't think it was a graphic designer.
I agree with you about that particular cover for that particular book. It does look like Chick-Lit. The little girl skipping on the front borders on inappropriate when you consider the content. Though I have seen different covers on LibraryThing so I chose one of those instead.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find an image of Velma Dinkley wearing a gimp mask. Or perhaps I did and just didn't know it. Besides, whenever I hear that word I can't get a certain movie out of my head.
Bring out the gimp. The gimp's sleepin'. Well I guess you're gon have to wake him up now, won't you?
That's why I use Photoshop instead of the open source version. Ear worms. Gah.
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